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	<title>Comments on: The trouble with IE6 &#8211; why you still may have to support it (and debunking some myths)</title>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwasithinking.co.uk/2009/07/26/the-trouble-with-ie6-why-you-still-may-have-to-support-it-and-debunking-some-myths/#comment-10703</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alex, I have been digging up my old bookmarks and I saw this particular post of yours. I was just wondering if you have an updated data of those info above and if you happen to find any progress on this topic.

Thanks,
Janice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alex, I have been digging up my old bookmarks and I saw this particular post of yours. I was just wondering if you have an updated data of those info above and if you happen to find any progress on this topic.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Janice</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwasithinking.co.uk/2009/07/26/the-trouble-with-ie6-why-you-still-may-have-to-support-it-and-debunking-some-myths/#comment-6707</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@brad, you are very, very wrong! The excuse for upgrading could be a cost of up to £40m depending on software systems in use (for example versions of Oracle). Even more so when the companies in question restrict the users viewing an ban certain sites.

Alex I have to disagree with extra stylesheets. Good semantic and valid code will eliminate may bugs in IE6, and knowing how to fix ones that do crop up and normally be achieved in one stylesheet. Add on the TwinHelix fix for PNG support and you&#039;re laughing!

Working in a B2B agency, IE6 is a MUST for support until 2014 when Microsoft now say they&#039;ll stop it&#039;s support. My views on that are here! -&gt; http://philsbury.co.uk/blog/microsoft-backs-long-life-for-ie6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@brad, you are very, very wrong! The excuse for upgrading could be a cost of up to £40m depending on software systems in use (for example versions of Oracle). Even more so when the companies in question restrict the users viewing an ban certain sites.</p>
<p>Alex I have to disagree with extra stylesheets. Good semantic and valid code will eliminate may bugs in IE6, and knowing how to fix ones that do crop up and normally be achieved in one stylesheet. Add on the TwinHelix fix for PNG support and you&#8217;re laughing!</p>
<p>Working in a B2B agency, IE6 is a MUST for support until 2014 when Microsoft now say they&#8217;ll stop it&#8217;s support. My views on that are here! -&gt; <a href="http://philsbury.co.uk/blog/microsoft-backs-long-life-for-ie6" rel="nofollow">http://philsbury.co.uk/blog/mi.....fe-for-ie6</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ashish</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwasithinking.co.uk/2009/07/26/the-trouble-with-ie6-why-you-still-may-have-to-support-it-and-debunking-some-myths/#comment-6046</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like Yahoo(Mail) has no problem urging users (another name for pushing) IE8 for old browsers, and also for FireFox3.5.
http://bit.ly/rX5n9

And no, this is not result of recent merger, follow the link, they&#039;ve done the same in time for IE7 as well !!

About supporting IE6, yes it&#039;ll be still there for office/corporate users especially with legacy web-apps. It is to be seen how much of that 16% remains once MS starts retiring the OS that support IE6 by july 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like Yahoo(Mail) has no problem urging users (another name for pushing) IE8 for old browsers, and also for FireFox3.5.<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/rX5n9" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/rX5n9</a></p>
<p>And no, this is not result of recent merger, follow the link, they&#8217;ve done the same in time for IE7 as well !!</p>
<p>About supporting IE6, yes it&#8217;ll be still there for office/corporate users especially with legacy web-apps. It is to be seen how much of that 16% remains once MS starts retiring the OS that support IE6 by july 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Rehm</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwasithinking.co.uk/2009/07/26/the-trouble-with-ie6-why-you-still-may-have-to-support-it-and-debunking-some-myths/#comment-5991</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Rehm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mariusz: thanks for your comment, as I already pointed out, the problem lies in part with the system admins and (potentially outdated) company policies, and I sincerely hope that the world takes on the approach of globally updating browsers (and maybe even outdated operating systems) soon. 

@ Rob: I agree with you, it is a pain indeed, and even IE8(!) has brought up problems on older sites where we had to go back and rework the stylesheet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mariusz: thanks for your comment, as I already pointed out, the problem lies in part with the system admins and (potentially outdated) company policies, and I sincerely hope that the world takes on the approach of globally updating browsers (and maybe even outdated operating systems) soon. </p>
<p>@ Rob: I agree with you, it is a pain indeed, and even IE8(!) has brought up problems on older sites where we had to go back and rework the stylesheet!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwasithinking.co.uk/2009/07/26/the-trouble-with-ie6-why-you-still-may-have-to-support-it-and-debunking-some-myths/#comment-5987</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Piotr in regards to Myth #2. It may not be technically hard to build a site for IE6, but developing a site to look the same when just comparing IE8 and IE6 can be a chore. Who hear hasn&#039;t had to go back and fix something because they found out IE6 was messing things up?
.-= Rob&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BestWebImage/~3/zRaRFjlYuIs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Looking for a Few Guest Bloggers&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Piotr in regards to Myth #2. It may not be technically hard to build a site for IE6, but developing a site to look the same when just comparing IE8 and IE6 can be a chore. Who hear hasn&#8217;t had to go back and fix something because they found out IE6 was messing things up?<br />
.-= Rob&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BestWebImage/~3/zRaRFjlYuIs/" rel="nofollow">Looking for a Few Guest Bloggers</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariusz</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwasithinking.co.uk/2009/07/26/the-trouble-with-ie6-why-you-still-may-have-to-support-it-and-debunking-some-myths/#comment-5985</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariusz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dropped support for IE6 in my projects (unless required, then I bill differently for IE6 fixes) for several reasons, one of them being the strong belief that IE6 won&#039;t die by itself and we - the designers and developers - have to help it die, just like we did with NN4. I always try to drop a message that &#039;your browser is not deprecated and our site will not work properly - upgrade your browser or ask your administrator to do that&#039;. Fact is, admins *can* upgrade to IE7 in their offices, but they don&#039;t care about stuff unless it doesn&#039;t work. So let&#039;s have regular users asking them to do that, for their own sake.

Second reason that I do not support IE6 anymore is the fact that the workload required to make stuff work (I&#039;m not saying only CSS, it happens that even library-powered Javascripts don&#039;t work) is not corresponding to the number of users I&#039;ve seen not upgrading after they got the IE6 Warnings.
.-= Mariusz&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/mariuszciesla/~3/u6-JBqlwvgs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TGIF: #followfriday &amp; design finds&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dropped support for IE6 in my projects (unless required, then I bill differently for IE6 fixes) for several reasons, one of them being the strong belief that IE6 won&#8217;t die by itself and we &#8211; the designers and developers &#8211; have to help it die, just like we did with NN4. I always try to drop a message that &#8216;your browser is not deprecated and our site will not work properly &#8211; upgrade your browser or ask your administrator to do that&#8217;. Fact is, admins *can* upgrade to IE7 in their offices, but they don&#8217;t care about stuff unless it doesn&#8217;t work. So let&#8217;s have regular users asking them to do that, for their own sake.</p>
<p>Second reason that I do not support IE6 anymore is the fact that the workload required to make stuff work (I&#8217;m not saying only CSS, it happens that even library-powered Javascripts don&#8217;t work) is not corresponding to the number of users I&#8217;ve seen not upgrading after they got the IE6 Warnings.<br />
.-= Mariusz&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/mariuszciesla/~3/u6-JBqlwvgs/" rel="nofollow">TGIF: #followfriday &amp; design finds</a> =-.</p>
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